The Vatican's Website in Latin

(vatican.va)

41 points | by ks2048 1 hour ago

7 comments

  • efskap 34 minutes ago
    If anyone is interested in learning it, there's nothing better than Ørberg's Lingua Latina per se Illustrata. It's entirely in Latin, including grammar explanations, but it starts out incredibly simple and ramps up gradually with lots of repetition. And that's fun AND effective, since you're immersed rather than grinding tables.
    • tolerance 1 minute ago
      "Grinding tables" might be the most accurate description of my language-learning experience that I've come across.
    • mcookly 14 minutes ago
      Thanks for sharing this! My wife and I have been interested in refreshing our Latin from high school, and we've been looking for good resources.

      We've also toyed with the idea of learning it as a living language, which seems to be an increasingly-popular method among autodidacts these days.

  • jdw64 53 minutes ago
    I used to think the Vatican would be old-fashioned, but the writing on its site is more readable than I expected. In particular, while reading the section “Development: Humanism and Posthumanism,” I found it interesting to compare the religious worldview of the West with my own more humanistic worldview.

    This passage especially stood out to me:

    > At the application level, AI in the strict sense raises questions about the reliability of data and the criteria by which programmers process it so as to make it available. It is unclear what biases or power systems influence the work. In particular, serious doubts arise regarding automated, AI-based decision-making processes in sensitive areas of human life: when deciding whether to provide medical care or grant loans or mortgages or insurance, or when prosecuting criminal cases in court or assessing the conduct of prisoners and the likelihood of reoffending with a view to reducing sentences, or when deciding on military attacks or law enforcement interventions.

    It is funny because this almost feels like a complete summary of recent Hacker News debates in a single paragraph.

    • jquinby 49 minutes ago
      There is an AI working group in one of the dicasteries that has produced two excellent publications:

      Encountering Artificial Intelligence (https://jmt.scholasticahq.com/article/91230-encountering-art...)

      Reclaiming Human Agency in the Age of Artificial Intelligence (https://jmt.scholasticahq.com/article/154545-reclaiming-huma...)

      • jdw64 45 minutes ago
        I think I will read this while running my agents in parallel. Thank you, my friend.

        The writing is genuinely excellent.

        In tech communities, we often talk about how many times productivity will increase, or whether AI has consciousness. But in religious documents, the focus is often on how the problems of the vulnerable and the community will change.

        That is interesting to me. The worldview is Western and religious, so it feels somewhat unfamiliar, but at the same time, it seems useful as a way to rediscover values that we may have forgotten.

    • reaperducer 34 minutes ago
      People love to wallow in the stereotype that the Catholic Church is old fashioned and anti-science. That's mostly propaganda leftover from 300 years ago.

      Catholic nuns were instrumental in the development of computers. A Catholic priest is fundamental to the Big Bang Theory†. Dozens of craters on the moon were named by and for Catholic clergy who discovered them.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

  • dlt713705 22 minutes ago
    How do you say "Click here" in Latin ?
    • Svoka 18 minutes ago
      probably same as "press here"
  • zdragnar 59 minutes ago
    I'm somewhat surprised it's still up, given the rather firm refusal by Francis to allow the Latin mass at churches that wanted it in the States.
    • wahern 19 minutes ago
      The term "Latin mass" confuses two distinct aspects. Colloquially it refers to celebrating the Tridentine Mass in Latin. But the Tridentine Mass was already celebrated in the vernacular years before Vatican II, though it was optional and I don't know how widespread it was. The Vatican II reformed mass was expected to use the vernacular in most parts, but it can also be given in Latin, and Latin is the canonical form against which translations are made.

      I've been to a Latin mass a couple of times, specifically a sung (aka high) Latin mass. I see why so many people prefer it. But the Novus Ordo can also be sung. Latin masses also tend to use incense, etc, which also used to be more common in the Norvus Ordo. The real division is between parishes and priests with the energy to put into the mass, versus those that fall into the habit of doing the bare minimum. The "Latin mass" just happens to be a convenient mechanism that bifurcates the two groups.

      Relatedly, I read a argument somewhere that the current state can be traced back to the proliferation of Irish priests. In Ireland the low (unsung) Latin mass had apparently been for centuries the predominate form even on Sundays. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but reading various sources it does seem that in various parts of the world the sung mass had already been in a long decline at least since the 1800s. And I think the Norvus Ordo was intended to simplify things in the hopes of reviving the energy in the mass, but instead it just created a lower floor.

      • mcookly 7 minutes ago
        I've heard the same re. the Irish.

        Regarding the Novus Ordo, I believe that the key document from Vatican II (Sacrosanctum Concilium) still preferred Latin as the dominant language in liturgy, while readings etc. stayed in the vernacular, but clearly that is not what happened.

        There's been an uptick in numbers for Tridentine Rite, so tides might shift back as Catholics realize the wealth of their liturgical tradition.

    • edflsafoiewq 43 minutes ago
      That isn't because of a general opposition to all uses of Latin.
    • stephenhuey 15 minutes ago
      He had specific reasons for not wanting it in mass:

      https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/07/19/latin-mass-...

    • bombcar 53 minutes ago
      The official version of that document is in ... Latin.
    • reaperducer 36 minutes ago
      I'm somewhat surprised it's still up, given the rather firm refusal by Francis to allow the Latin mass at churches that wanted it in the States.

      Maybe because a web site isn't holy Mass?

  • mrKola 58 minutes ago
    It has to be there for the aliens.
  • user3939382 33 minutes ago
    I caught a bishop committing felonies, reported it to the Vatican. It resulted in 12 years of kangaroo court litigation in their analog of a justice system and no action or consequences despite incontrovertible forensic evidence. We got a PBS documentary instead, great. Absolute disgrace of an institution.
  • atleastoptimal 32 minutes ago
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    • dlt713705 23 minutes ago
      How do you say "click here" in Latin ?