Oura says it gets government demands for user data

(this.weekinsecurity.com)

64 points | by donohoe 2 hours ago

10 comments

  • kator 2 minutes ago
    All this said I'm more concerned about Automatic Content Recognition (ACR) on smartTV you buy in the store and never even realize it's phoning home with everything you watch...
  • amarant 2 minutes ago
    What will the government even do with my heart rate and blood oxygen data?

    "Mr Smith has been running again, we better bring him in for questioning!"

  • sz4kerto 1 hour ago
    "In my previous blog, I revealed that Oura data is not end-to-end encrypted. That means that an Oura user's health data can be unscrambled at certain points as it travels from a person's ring, through their phone app, over the internet, and as it lands on Oura's servers."

    Very strange -- it seems to be conflating end-to-end encryption with encryption-in-transit.

    • ggm 1 hour ago
      It also doesn't sound like its encrypted at rest. Perhaps each in-transit is held to be a unique e2e IP exchange?
      • juggle-anyhow 1 hour ago
        Encrypted at rest means something different. It means if you pull the hard drive out no one can decrypt it. Not that it is encrypted in the database.
  • JumpCrisscross 20 minutes ago
    > the once-responsive Oura has not yet replied to any of my inquiries, or committed to releasing the numbers

    Illinois has a tight biometric-privacy law [1]. I’d bet Oura isn’t particularly careful about prohibiting e.g. a Texas police department querying the protected information of Illinois residents.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_...

  • focusgroup0 58 minutes ago
    guy who pays $6/month to be monitored by the f3ds
    • MassPikeMike 25 minutes ago
      Judging by ads for cell phone service, most people pay more than that per month to be monitored by the Feds.
      • mathgeek 10 minutes ago
        Judging by various leaks over the years, you get it for free anyway.
  • johnnyApplePRNG 12 minutes ago
    OURA is a joke. My GF bought two for us and after a week I made her return them due to non stop dark patterns coming out of that company.

    Everything about that company is disgusting.

    Such a shame, too. I was eager to learn more about my health.

  • akersten 19 minutes ago
    IPOing soon at $11B btw
  • ck2 56 minutes ago
    Oura doesn't even have GPS does it?

    Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant

    AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant

    • arusahni 37 minutes ago
      In a society where women are being prosecuted for medical procedures, menstrual data becomes very risky to have handed over.
      • michelb 27 minutes ago
        Probably this yeah. Your location data can be obtained from other devices than your own, but this medical data cannot.
  • basisword 1 hour ago
    This is why although I don't love my Apple Watch, I'm not using anything else. It's very sensitive data and Apple is the only company worth trusting with it. They're not perfect but compared to others there's no competition.
    • mmh0000 11 minutes ago
      You may want to reevaluate.

      Apple has a great PR (propaganda) department that has convinced many people they respect your privacy. In truth, they do not. They're "better" than Google, but only slightly. And only so slightly that realistically it doesn't matter.

      "Apple is taking the unprecedented step of removing its highest level data security tool from customers in the UK, after the government demanded access to user data."

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo

      It happened in the UK; it will not be long before it happens in the US.

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      Also, USA: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36084244

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      Also, France, Germany, Australia, Brazil, Japan: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/pdf/requests-2024-H...

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      Also, Russia: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-04/apple-fil...

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      Also, China: https://www.article19.org/resources/apple-cares-about-digita...

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      Also in general: https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy

    • GeekyBear 16 minutes ago
      A great example is Apple's new in-house cellular modem design, which gives you the option to stop reporting your exact location to your cellular provider.

      The best way to prevent the Feds from getting access to customer data is to not collect it in the first place.

    • jeroenhd 1 hour ago
      Google's Health Connect system doesn't share this data either (without a consent prompt for third party apps, off course). This is to the point where I wish it would just support some kind of sync, because two devices hooked up to the same accounts need a third party app to transfer the health info.

      Apple is subject to the same laws Oura is. The competition is too.

      • jjice 12 minutes ago
        I believe the Apple one is E2E encrypted so they physically can't give useful data. Thats the core issue with Oura here.
    • SoftTalker 49 minutes ago
      Apple might be pretty good now. There's no assurance they always will be.
    • haritha-j 40 minutes ago
      Yeah there's no one I'd trust with my personal data except Apple. Their track record of refusing to bow down to the feds has been golden. 24 carat infact.
      • echelon 29 minutes ago
        In the US. Apple's policies are flexible when it comes to other nation states.

        All it takes is a political sea change for E2EE to go away.

        Apple already has to hand over a wealth of information when asked by the feds.

        • GeekyBear 5 minutes ago
          Apple literally removed encrypted file storage as a feature in the UK rather than comply with demands for access to encrypted customer data from the UK government.

          Previously, they refused US government demands for a backdoor that would allow them to unlock locked devices.

  • mystraline 1 hour ago
    I was definitely interested in some sort of comprehensive sensor bundle for my healthcare.

    But every one of these devices demands some Android/Apple app, and shipping all my health data to basically non-HIPAA data brokers.

    Id be all over a local-only no-data-exfiltration health tracker. But the companies do NOT want to provide that.

    I, uh, guess, "go surveillance capitalism", for more choices?

    • permutations 4 minutes ago
      I will once again proselytize for the new pebble time 2 (I am quite a fan of it). Open source and comes with standard sensors for health monitoring (6 axis imu, heart rate monitor, SpO2). Health data can be kept and analyzed on your phone and there are various apps that can do so. Suffice to say there are “surveillance-free” options out there, and if you’re not satisfied with current app options it is easy to hack your own together
    • duskdozer 42 minutes ago
      If your concern is that the government may access the data, whether it's covered by HIPAA or not is irrelevant, because HIPAA allows government access. Though yes, it would still be better than non-HIPAA in general.
    • SkyPuncher 42 minutes ago
      HIPAA is completely irrelevant to any of this. Ours is technically HIPAA complaint because the data they process is not subject to HIPAA.

      In overly simple terms, if insurance is not involved, then it’s not subject to HIPAA.

    • Aldipower 1 hour ago
      I am using Withings in combination Tredict. Both GDPR-compliant.