The Ask

(randsinrepose.com)

20 points | by digitallogic 2 days ago

4 comments

  • danjl 44 minutes ago
    Harsh take: AI should replace most middle management. It is the easiest part of an organization to replace. The people making things should mostly communicate about company strategy, cross-team issues, and job requirements with an AI. There should be a handful of high-level strategy on top of the AI. The AI should have access to all the documents for the company. The middle management should be put in a spaceship along with HR and sent off to another planet so the people who build things can just get stuff done. This will never happen.
    • andrewmutz 13 minutes ago
      I don't agree with this.

      But I also found the article really unsatisfying. The idea that middle management should spend enormous amounts of time building relationships because other middle managers got vibes that one day it might be useful is insane. I think the article represents the worst of big, slow tech bureaucracies.

      Replacing middle management with AI would not work, but using AI to avoid managers needing to have all these meetings would probably work really well. The idea that there's some AI system that has access to all the documents/email/task management systems at the company is a good one, and it could identify situations (like the one in the article) where two projects on opposite ends of the organization are colliding.

      Instead of two middle managers needing to do 1:1s with no clear need for years because other middle managers got vibes that they should could be replaced by an AI system that uncovered situations like the ones mentioned in the article.

      This wouldnt replace middle managers, but it might help them do their jobs better.

      • danjl 7 minutes ago
        I mostly agree. I'm curious to hear more details about why you think AI cannot replace middle management?
    • cweagans 22 minutes ago
      I have a theory. How close does the following describe you?

      * You're an engineer with 3-6 years of experience in a primarily IC role

      * Maybe you've done some tech lead stuff, but you've never actively worked in engineering management.

      * You feel that management (and HR for some reason?) is constantly in the way of you getting stuff done, and that your life would be easier if you could simply decline every meeting and only communicate through pull requests.

      Humor me, please. I'll explain after.

      • LPisGood 17 minutes ago
        For the sake of moving this along, that describes me perfectly. Please, continue.
      • danjl 16 minutes ago
        I have 35+ years experience as a manager and engineer at large enterprise tech companies (what the kids now call FAANG, though some of the company names were different back then), and was a Founder, CEO and CTO at a $7M VC funded company and several other "differently-funded" startups.
      • qsxfthnkp2322 16 minutes ago
        It’s a trap.
  • 1123581321 1 hour ago
    I liked this, although it seemed like there were unusual typos/missing words for Rands in a couple of places. Is this a book draft?

    It's a good exercise to mentally go around the a meeting room and think about what each person wants from it. Given Rands' job, he obviously starts thinking about it earlier, and for longer, but even a few minutes while everyone's settling in and chit-chatting can make a difference in how you participate.

  • JSR_FDED 1 hour ago
    This is either very profound or not at all. Can’t figure out which.
    • jaggederest 1 hour ago
      I think much of this kind of management faffery might be like advertising - I know half is useless, but I'll be damned if I can figure out which half.
      • SoftTalker 14 minutes ago
        Half useless, half unnecessary.
  • subygan 1 hour ago
    I hate middle management as much as the next guy.

    but in this case, specifically. who are these career people thinking about orgs and their movement in years?

    especially in a job economy where employees are expected to be laid off despite "staggering profits". It feels completely orthogonal to the environment I exist in.

    is there room for lifers in big orgs? without getting the boot or worrying about the boot?

    • busterarm 3 minutes ago
      I'm in a big org and while we had a lot of COVID-related turnover, before and after COVID our average engineer tenure went from ~1.6 years to something like 6-7. I'm at the upper end of my part of the org at 8+ (one at 9, one at 11 one at 13). Only like 3 people in my group are below 6.

      I would like to move on but also given the current climate that seems ludicrous.

      People I talk to in similar places are in the same boat. Hiring is frozen and everyone remaining is hanging on for dear life.