9 comments

  • lioeters 1 minute ago
    > kiki was built around the idea that the web took a wrong turn a couple of decades ago. HTML was supposed to be simple and straightforward

    Hear, hear. We need more of this kind of courage to start over from first principles.

  • hypersoar 2 minutes ago
    This is a tangent to this post, but...

    I happen to have a cat named Kiki who looks rather like the mascot for this project. Her health is failing, now. I just spent the night on my living room floor next to her. I'll, likely have to put her down, today.

    I might use this project to make a memorial page for her.

    https://ibb.co/7dRCnWrp https://ibb.co/1GWwDKLY

  • moffers 2 hours ago
    I wish we could get back to a “mom and pop” software market. Itch.io feels like it’s doing a lot of work for indie software that used to just be everywhere and easy to stumble onto.
    • sph 45 minutes ago
      If selling software for money wasn’t such a pain in the arse I would put stuff on my website rather than itch.io

      It took me two weeks, plus sending IDs, incorporating an ltd, to get a license to sell software with Paddle. With itch I just need a paypal/stripe account.

      • sneak 2 minutes ago
        If you accept cryptocurrency you don’t need to do any of this, and not even deal with PayPal (who WILL rob you without a second thought, as has been well documented on the internet for MULTIPLE decades at this point).
      • Lord_Zero 15 minutes ago
        I am going through this right now! I am provisionally approved and still waiting. Even worse I am going through SMS phone number verification with SMTP2GO.

        Apparently if you wanna send automated texts in America, you need a real phone number. And to not get immediately blocked, you need to fill out a form that goes to the major carriers for approval (like AT&T). And the form is not unlike Paddle's verification. You need a company, EIN, samples of what your texts will look like. Massive pain.

  • binary0010 17 minutes ago
    "It's built so that if something looks wrong, you can change it yourself without spending hours reading tutorials and watching coding videos"

    Does anyone do this? Every none coder I know just has llms build everything for them - can't imagine why they'd be looking up coding tutorials for a homepage.

  • sneak 3 minutes ago
    The design philosophy says you should be able to repair your own tools, but this is closed source proprietary software.

    Cute page, but does not walk the walk.

  • smusamashah 1 hour ago
    Should have been written with bouba philosophy.
  • theragra 1 hour ago
    Reminds me of a time when my homepage (before lj blog) was using cmsimple. BTW, c still exists. Not sure if it is still "simple" tho.

    https://www.cmsimple.org/en/

    • giancarlostoro 8 minutes ago
      > c still exists

      C and Go are two languages I feel like if you learn them, you can come back years later and if your memory is still good, you could get back up to speed pretty darn quickly. Every few years I go back to Go and try to build web apps using only the standard libraries, and I always find myself very quickly picking up all the concepts.

  • unkeptbarista 1 hour ago
    Kiki's themes can be edited to suit one's personal tastes. The theme .css files are about 120 lines long.
  • brettermeier 2 hours ago
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    • kjs3 9 minutes ago
      Troll trots out the old "You should only be allowed the web site aesthetic I approve of and anyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid!" and is shocked that not everyone on HN appreciates their insightful genius.
    • Hugsbox 1 hour ago
      Idk man, I think it's pretty charming even if it's not exactly the design choice I'd have gone with.
    • elicash 1 hour ago
      HN Guidelines: "Be kind. Don't be snarky. [...] Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative. [...] Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."
    • shlewis 2 hours ago
      1. There is a link to a demo website, which is in fact in similar style.

      2. I don't think the website is _nearly unreadable_.

      3. Pretty rude remark.

      • KomoD 2 hours ago
        > 2. I don't think the website is _nearly unreadable_.

        For me personally, the color scheme is uncomfortable to read. Dark text on a dark background

        • JdeBP 1 hour ago
          It's the decades-old problem of blue on black, which has led to interminable discussions of which exact tint of blue should be ECMA-45 blue on a terminal. Pick one, it has poor contrast with a black background. Pick another, it has poor contrast with a white background.

          * https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#dont_like_...

          • hananova 51 minutes ago
            So, pick two? One for each background?
            • JdeBP 40 minutes ago
              There is only one 'blue', colour number 4, in ECMA-45.
        • varun_ch 1 hour ago
          try the demo. it’s an entirely different style, which shows how versatile the tool is
          • 9dev 1 hour ago
            It still doesn't reflect the design philosophy at all, though. A wacky approximation of early MacOS that offers nonfunctional UI affordances doesn't fit my bill of No obscurantist programming languages and styles, or simple, maintainable software akin to machines that need to work under all circumstances in the far north.

            I was also a little disappointed with the philosophy's goals in general, which seem to be mostly the personal preferences of a lone-wolf style open source developer, not a universal approach to software design.

            • vga256 52 minutes ago
              When you describe my programming and design philosophy as "the personal preferences of a lone-wolf style open source developer, not a universal approach to software design", I consider that the absolute best compliment I could have ever hoped for!

              A "universal" approach to software design is the problem I am addressing, not the solution. Coming up with your own philosophy of design and implementation that works for you, and hopefully works for others, is how we get better software.

              • 9dev 37 minutes ago
                I'm not arguing with that, I think; I agree with your general sentiment and apparently read many of the same books you read as well. Yet I still believe there's value in a shared understanding of what quality software is, and what ideals to strive for in its conception.
            • mcphage 1 hour ago
              > I was also a little disappointed with the philosophy's goals in general, which seem to be mostly the personal preferences of a lone-wolf style open source developer, not a universal approach to software design.

              How would a universal approach to software design be in any way appropriate for this?

              • 9dev 40 minutes ago
                I like the general concept of software that treats its users as responsible adults, in the sense of not restricting them in how they can use the software; the analogy to machines that must work in remote areas with an extreme climate and no connection to the outside world is an apt one. Rejecting complexity in favour of maintainability, allowing to reach into and modify if necessary, those things I feel could be sharpened into proper, and universal guiding principles.
    • voidUpdate 32 minutes ago
      I prefer text over the whole width compared to websites that put all their content in the left 80 columns of the screen, taking up about a quarter of my screen width
      • handfuloflight 13 minutes ago
        Why does my eye need to move more than it needs to?
        • voidUpdate 6 minutes ago
          Why does my screen need to be used less than it needs to? If you're only going to use 1/4 of my screen for your content, you could at least put a cute cat picture in the rest of it or something
    • Gualdrapo 1 hour ago
      idk, the demo thingy looks great.

      https://tomotama.com/kikidemo/

      • projektfu 53 minutes ago
        Obviously we have different monitors, but on mine the geneva-9 font doesn't render properly in the subpixels causing alternate green and purple, the underlines don't line up to the beginning of the words, and the whole thing stretches across the window the same way.
    • tquinn35 1 hour ago
      It is for sure readable, why so dramatic?
      • nkrisc 1 hour ago
        My vision isn’t great and I do find it more difficult to read comfortably than most sites. I haven’t checked the actual contrast ratio, but for this particular font and size the text color feels like it’s lacking strong contrast against the background. The tabs at the top are even more difficult to read comfortably than.

        But I understand that sites that look this way are not made for maximum legibility, but as an in-group signifier.

      • brettermeier 1 hour ago
        The text flows over the whole width is one point, the paddings and margins is another one. Sure, you can read this if you really want, but it's painful.
        • neoromantique 1 hour ago
          I would like to introduce a wild concept -- browser window is resizable.
          • brettermeier 25 minutes ago
            Do you think I will resize my browser window just because you fucked up your layout? No, I will leave.
    • micromacrofoot 55 minutes ago
      if you move your mouse to the edge of your browser window it turns into a little bidiretional arrow, if you click then drag you can make your window more narrow until it suits your desired reading preference