The Fall of the Theorem Economy

(davidbessis.substack.com)

61 points | by varjag 2 hours ago

6 comments

  • bsenftner 8 minutes ago
    This kills me, it is correct, but misses the forest for the trees. Yes, mathematics is a discipline of understanding, but an insular one. The entire field is about trying to understand, but the discipline does not try to be understood. No, that is "your job, not theirs" and that is why this discipline is struggling, struggling in a culture that can barely communicate without emotional morons destroying any constructive communications.
  • octopus143 4 minutes ago
    Some previous submissions

    HN history

      +-- 2mo before by sdfrew
      |   4 points / 1 comments
      |   The Fall of the Theorem Economy
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47862472
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      +-- 2mo before by fuglede_
      |   3 points / 1 comments
      |   The Fall of the Theorem Economy
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47891494
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      +-- 2mo before by mathgenius
      |   2 points / 0 comments
      |   The Fall of the Theorem Economy
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47909751
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      +-- 2mo before by delis-thumbs-7e
      |   15 points / 4 comments
      |   David Bessis on AI destroying mathematics
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47985962
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      +-- 1mo before by magoghm
      |   4 points / 0 comments
      |   The Fall of the Theorem Economy
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48084737
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      +-- 1mo before by cubefox
      |   2 points / 0 comments
      |   The Fall of the Theorem Economy
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48089716
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      +-- 1mo before by cubefox
      |   5 points / 0 comments
      |   The Fall of the Theorem Economy
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48152469
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      +-- 1mo before by tmp10423288442
      |   4 points / 1 comments
      |   The Fall of the Theorem Economy
      |   https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48214866
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      `-- this submission by varjag
          58 points / 7 comments
          The Fall of the Theorem Economy
          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48758048
  • mojosmojo 1 hour ago
    Incredibly thoughtful. This essay gives that very rare sense of being well reasoned, gods at forest and trees, and sitting atop a shit ton of domain expertise.
  • jdw64 45 minutes ago
    Someday, there might be mathematics designed for AI. Mathematics that only a tiny fraction of humans can understand, but a different kind of mathematics might emerge. I wonder if we would still call it mathematics.

    What would happen if a non-human layer of mathematics emerged on top of human mathematics? In this article, the distinction between Mathlib and Mathslop might be a precursor to that.

    If models advance enough in the future, and new definitions, compressions, and representational forms that are convenient for AI-to-AI communication emerge, what would happen then? Would mathematics split into Human-facing and Machine-facing branches?

    • pfortuny 37 minutes ago
      Science is not about results, it is about the transmission of knowledge. So long as those AI-"sciences" are just inside AI, they are "engineering", not science.

      I am not dismissing engineering (it moves the world we live in), just trying to clarify what science is.

      Applied fluid dynamics works like that: noone has ever really "verified" that the finite-element method applied to some specific model does converge

      • jvanderbot 33 minutes ago
        Agree, but more specifically Math is clearly about a human understanding structure of things. Math is basically for humans. It's one of the main reasons understandable proof is so important.
        • pfortuny 30 minutes ago
          Well, by "understanding" I mean "understanding by humans", indeed.
      • varjag 4 minutes ago
        Engineering is used fairly loosely these days but I insist engineering ends where you have to prove theorems.
  • j7ake 1 hour ago
    Does the the ⁡(,1) conjecture paper in annnals of Math say 7 years between submission and acceptance? Insane
    • bananaflag 2 minutes ago
      These stories are common in math, e.g. these recently happened to me, a lowly mathematician:

      1) Two and a half years with no reply from a journal (not even to emails I sent that I'd like to retract the paper so I could send it somewhere else). Then suddenly they tell me the paper is accepted.

      2) One year with no reply. Then, my "anxious" collaborator sends them countless emails and gets redirected from person to person and finally an editor tells us that they decided almost immediately to reject our paper but they didn't tell us because "they hate giving bad news".

      These were not top journals like Annals, but decent, prestigious ones, from whom you'd expect some professionalism.

  • khalic 1 hour ago
    I see the AI panic has reached mathematics…