14 comments

  • helterskelter 35 minutes ago
    Story time for NC's. I had a doctor that lived near me working at a medical clinic that got bought up by PE. He signed the new contract with them and kept working for a while, but decided he needed to move for one reason or another. After he quits, PE informs him of the NC in the new contract he signed, and that he wouldn't be able to practice medicine for N years (I think it was something like 5). He ended up hanging himself, and in response, the clinic's staff quit en masse and basically dared the PE company to try and enforce the clause. PE backed down because suing all the doctors individually would have cost too much and it would have been awful PR for the practice. They ended up selling the clinic before the year was out.
    • zulux 31 minutes ago
      FYI - there are already a few states that don't allow companies to enforce such draconian noncompetes.

      Moving to California is better than killing yourself most of the time.

      • teaearlgraycold 0 minutes ago
        Clearly something else was going on. No mentally healthy person would kill themself because of this.
  • rrrrrrrrrrrryan 51 minutes ago
    There's a strong argument to be made that the banning of non-competes is the main reason California is the software capital of the world.
  • RayVR 33 minutes ago
    Non-competes in finance almost always come with compensation during the defined period.

    The idea that a company can restrict at-will employee’s post-separation employment is absurd if they aren’t compensating the individual.

    In many US states and countries outside the US, the enforcement of non-competes is very very hard. The problem is that they create a RISK of enforcement.

    • J-Kuhn 26 minutes ago
      By some logic:

      * If they want to tell someone personally what to do or not to do, is some form of employment.

      * If it is not paid, it can be considered slavery.

      * It is usually possible to quit jobs.

    • rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4 minutes ago
      Executive level non-competes are probably the most damaging for the overall economy though.

      If there's a market-dominating company, and execs are allowed to leave said company, start a competitor, get some investor dollars behind them, then start poaching employees from the old company, the market can have a really viable competitor quite quickly.

      Without that ability, little monopolies spring up throughout the economy and use their size to crush upstarts, under-compensate their employees, overcharge their customers, and squeeze their suppliers.

      Banning non-competes is an absolute requirement for free-market capitalism to function properly.

  • senderista 3 minutes ago
    Sadly Amazon has been known to enforce its 18-month NC in WA state (not sure if they’ve ever prevailed in court). They will absolutely not negotiate on this.
  • donbox 4 minutes ago
    Also not enforceable in Ontario Canada since 2021.
  • jmcgough 56 minutes ago
    Thankful that California banned them, others should follow suit.
  • Hnrobert42 58 minutes ago
    In all cases where I was presented with an unreasonable non-compete, I either negotiated it away or scratched it out before signing. I know not everyone has that luxury, but if your BATNA is signing, it's worth a shot.
    • j-bos 56 minutes ago
      Easier to do when there's paper to scratch.
      • teeray 12 minutes ago
        I wonder if anyone has tried presenting an “Artist Rider” to similar effect.
      • anon291 51 minutes ago
        If they've not offered you anything, the non compete is certainly not valid.
        • parpfish 36 minutes ago
          I think the implication is that it’s easier to modify paper than a Docusign form where the only option is “click here to sign”
        • Grimblewald 35 minutes ago
          no, as in physical contracts you _can_ scratch something out on are becoming rare. Usally some fuckass digital signing service or another, tgat barely works on chrome let alone firefox.
  • radicaldreamer 51 minutes ago
    Not enforceable in California
  • Alien1Being 54 minutes ago
    With the recent well publicised cases of developers stealing proprietary information, this is going to become more common.
  • yieldcrv 9 minutes ago
    I don't think I can live outside of California at this point

    I don’t even negotiate these clauses I just have so much assurance the state is going to throw out the case that I just let the client shoot themselves in the foot, and silently get invested in seeing which other ways they’ll mess up

  • parpfish 30 minutes ago
    I’d be fine signing a non compete if they ever offered anything in return. If they want me to stay out of the market for a period of time, they better pay garden leave or SOME sort of consideration
  • sys_64738 55 minutes ago
    Not worth even printing out where I am. They are worthless.
  • anon291 51 minutes ago
    Just ignore them completely unless you're an executive.
  • metoobruh 1 hour ago
    When it comes to enslavement to giant corporations or government, all I can say is:

    "The only winning move is not to play."

    • p1esk 58 minutes ago
      It’s nice to be rich I guess
      • bigyabai 56 minutes ago
        It's even nicer having freedom.
        • cortesoft 12 minutes ago
          Freedom is pretty useless without food
        • j-bos 55 minutes ago
          Often bought with riches.
          • bigyabai 51 minutes ago
            More often with principles.
            • Grimblewald 33 minutes ago
              i think you underestimate the starting capital required to be able to stand with principles in the modern world. I'm lucky to be in such a position, but I'm also aware few are.
    • thin_carapace 56 minutes ago
      i rarely use ai, however i must constantly sift through ai blog posts like this one to find actual communication. should i leave the internet to win the game against ai? well i did the next best thing and got a nokia brick phone, yet facebook still knows how to recommend those i meet in real life!! i tried not playing but im still in the game. does that mean the only way i can win is to kill myself?
      • georgemcbay 14 minutes ago
        > yet facebook still knows how to recommend those i meet in real life!!

        Meta is an awful company but they don't have Enemy of the State level surveillance.

        If you met someone in real life and then Facebook recommended them to you the leak here was almost certainly a human one, eg. the person you met googled you and clicked your Facebook profile when it showed up (while they themselves were logged into Facebook) and that's how Facebook made the connection.

        So don't kill yourself. Life is very short anyway, enjoy the absurdity of it while you can.

      • Alien1Being 50 minutes ago
        That strategy would not be guaranteed to work.

        An AI simulation of you would post on HN.

        Welcome to the future.

        As always 99% of it is poor quality slop...

      • em-bee 35 minutes ago
        why are you on facebook?
        • MajorTakeaway 19 minutes ago
          Rather than asking him the question of why in a simple rudimentary form, give the guy motivation to quit facebook instead. Facebook employs guilt tactics about people they know to get them to stay, and if they quit, they're likely to go back because of in person connections. By sounding condescending, the person you're replying to is likely to justify staying rather than quitting.
          • thin_carapace 10 minutes ago
            i think your advice would apply in a standard human situation where optimal communication requires decoration, in this scenario i reciprocated the communication format which indicates acceptance
        • thin_carapace 23 minutes ago
          i have an account from when i was a teenager that i sometimes use to talk to family. why do you ask? based on my anecdote we are all tracked by facebook, whether or not we are on facebook.
          • cortesoft 9 minutes ago
            It was confusing hearing that Facebook was recommending people to you when you made it sound like you were choosing to opt out of those things.

            I am not sure how your anecdote would show you are all tracked by Facebook even if you aren't on facebook; you only received recommendations for people to friend on facebook because you are on facebook. I am not on facebook, so i have never had facebook recommend anyone to me.

            • thin_carapace 6 minutes ago
              my phone cant run facebook. by choosing this phone i am opting not to have facebook track me on a constant basis. however, based on whatever signals are available to everyone elses phones, facebook still tracks me. and facebook is doing the same to everybody including you - not sure if youre aware of the concept of shadow profiles?