8 comments

  • userbinator 3 minutes ago
    Short-term gains are likely to produce long-term negative effects.

    Hormesis and natural selection have been driving factor of evolution for a long time.

  • ecshafer 2 hours ago
    Anecdata I was living very close to a busy highway, and my young daughter was wheazing when she had a cold, we had to give her medicine via a nebulizer. When we moved out to the country more, far away from any major roads, these issues all disappeared within a couple months.
    • nathancahill 1 hour ago
      Doctors used to prescribe a "change of air" in the 18-19th centuries. Maybe they still should.
    • dyauspitr 44 minutes ago
      As long as the country doesn’t involve large scale farms because the glyphosate sprayed on them causes serious issues.
    • roughly 1 hour ago
      A friend of mine does research on air pollution from cars - the TL;DR is you should not live within a third of a mile of a highway. The falloff is pretty sharp, but you don't want to be in that zone.
      • sasaf5 17 minutes ago
        What about the vicinity of large or uphill streets inside a city? I am curious how the data compares with highways.
      • lazide 44 minutes ago
        Notably, most major cities have been building tons of housing (especially ‘affordable housing’) right next to highways, as it is the only areas that aren’t already built out with tons of high value houses.

        Surprise surprise.

        • energy123 39 minutes ago
          It's a dumping ground for poor people.
  • satvikpendem 2 hours ago
    Using scientists being "stunned" should take the same amount of relevance as someone being "slammed" in article titles.
    • Nition 50 minutes ago
      It's a direct quote from one of the scientists:

      '"I was absolutely stunned when I first saw the results," Prof Chris Griffiths, a senior author on the study, at Queen Mary University of London, told the BBC."'

      • satvikpendem 13 minutes ago
        I know, generally it is not a direct quote, hence "should."
      • dabinat 35 minutes ago
        The BBC should have put it in quotes in the headline; I kept the HN title faithful to the original article.
    • bryanlarsen 1 hour ago
      Smokers don't magically undo the damage they did to their lungs after they stop smoking. Stunned might be hyperbole, but it is at least a little bit surprising.
      • anon48293 8 minutes ago
        > “ Smokers don't magically undo the damage they did to their lungs after they stop smoking”

        Except that they do undo the damage.

        “ After 15 years, your chances of getting lung cancer are almost the same as someone who has never smoked.”

        https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lung-cancer/prevention/

      • zdragnar 55 minutes ago
        "Stunned" isn't really a scientific term. It's the sort of editorializing you should expect to come from people who aren't the scientists themselves. More than hyperbole, it is classic click bait.

        Also, quitting smoking definitely eases a number of symptoms, especially if you're not at the point of chronic emphysema. The reduction of inflammation triggers alone after a bit of time is fairly significant. Less coughing, less mucus buildup, etc.

        • Nition 48 minutes ago
          But this isn't that at all. "Stunned" is used here because it's the word one of the study's authors actually used.

          '"I was absolutely stunned when I first saw the results," Prof Chris Griffiths, a senior author on the study, at Queen Mary University of London, told the BBC.'

    • powerpcmac 2 hours ago
      I'd like to imagine the stunned scientist is a scientist from another field, they show some medical findings to a guy who looks at snail butts all day and he's the one "stunned" by the findings
      • Nition 48 minutes ago
        The scientist who used the word "stunned" is one of the study's authors.
  • stuaxo 2 hours ago
    I've needed my inhaler way less since the ULEZ came in.

    Visiting London used to mean blowing your nose to black snot for a week afterwards, these days living in London it's pretty good.

    • smashah 6 minutes ago
      Pretty sure that's due to the tube.
    • glenngillen 1 hour ago
      I've not lived in London for more than a decade. I always thought the black snot was from the Tube. Is it not?
      • nullify88 12 minutes ago
        I lived on Upper Street in Angel, London by some traffic lights and there was always a layer of black dust inside. I assumed it was brake particulate.
      • lazide 44 minutes ago
        It is, but not just from it.
  • bilekas 48 minutes ago
    > strongest evidence yet that local clean air zones could help reduce some of the harm caused by pollution during childhood.

    It's incredible this is even in debate. It's one of those intuitive things well known since the reduction of coal burning and smog during the industrial revolution in London?

  • ggm 17 minutes ago
    s/stunned/pleased/
  • OutOfHere 1 hour ago
    I use air purifiers mounted on my windows, running continuously except in the deep summer and deep winter. This makes my air contain 50-100x fewer particulates than the outdoor air. In contrast, the best I can achieve with floor air purifiers as people have them is a 5-10x reduction. The window purifiers also keep excess CO2 and VOCs out.
    • Terr_ 53 minutes ago
      > The window purifiers also keep excess CO2 and VOCs out.

      I assume you mean that the increased air-exchange (purified or not) helps CO2 that originates inside the house to leave promptly? (Equalizing it with the outdoors.)

      Literally "keeping CO2 out" is a much trickier and more-expensive proposition.

    • energy123 32 minutes ago
      You have activated carbon to filter out the VOCs?
  • XorNot 2 hours ago
    So punchline, probably a good idea to electrify all the cars yeah?
    • mellosouls 49 minutes ago
      Probably a much better idea first to have a decent public transport and electric car support network throughout the country first.

      We don't all live in the city.

    • jimbob45 1 hour ago
      That doesn’t solve brake and tire particles. Although…rail might solve those?
      • cousinbryce 1 hour ago
        https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/pollution-tyre-wear-... Rail, bike, even busses are better. Cars are uniquely bad transportation in urban environments
        • mhandley 1 hour ago
          Do the numbers in that article make sense? 5.8g/km for tyre wear? Generally my tyres last maybe 25000 miles. So at that rate they would lose 230kg. Seems high.
          • danparsonson 38 minutes ago
            "Non-exhaust emissions (NEE) are particles released into the air from brake wear, tyre wear, road surface wear and resuspension of road dust during on-road vehicle usage."

            I guess they mean total non-exhaust particulates.

          • lazide 43 minutes ago
            They might be counting trucks?
      • mhandley 1 hour ago
        Tyre, no, but regen braking almost eliminates brake particles at the speeds I drive in London. But mostly I take the train. Unfortunately the highest I measured on my particulate sensor is not near the roads, but in the tube.