CIA funding helped keep NeXT afloat in the 80s

(wsj.com)

84 points | by EwanG 16 hours ago

11 comments

  • Alien1Being 40 minutes ago
    Apple :

    "In 2012, Apple joined the PRISM data collection program run by the National Security Agency (NSA)."

    "The firm added that between 1 December 2012 and 31 May 2013 it received between 4,000 and 5,000 requests from US law enforcement for customer data, involving between 9,000 and 10,000 accounts or devices. It did not say with how many it had complied."

    • john_strinlai 20 minutes ago
      just as a point of comparison, google had 25,879 requests involving 42,500 accounts in approximately the same time period (january 1 through june 2013)

      google complied with ~65% of the requests

  • newsoftheday 54 minutes ago
    I worked at a federal contractor in the mid-1990's with one customer. They bought a ton of NeXT machines.
  • mrhottakes 53 minutes ago
    CIA funding helped keep a lot of industries afloat in the 20th century.
    • dataviz1000 19 minutes ago
      CIA funding helped keep afloat Abstract Expressionist artists like Jackson Pollock as propaganda of freedom of expression and individualism as opposed to Soviet collectivism.
      • alexjplant 10 minutes ago
        Fellow readers whose interests are piqued by this comment: this is apparently true. This book [1] talks about it in greater depth. From Wikipedia:

        > [The author] describes the growth of the Abstract Expressionist art movement, and its frequent showcasing in New York's Museum of Modern Art (MOMA), as largely a CIA-sponsored operation [...] Since many abstract expressionist painters and sculptors were anarchistic, and strongly anti-CIA, a "long leash" policy was adopted that "kept CIA operatives at a remove of two or three degrees from the artists and art exhibitions—sometimes even more—so that they could not be linked to any furtive governmental bankrolling."

        [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Paid_the_Piper%3F

    • high_na_euv 34 minutes ago
      And somehow people freak out some bullshit about free market when there is gov intervention, even if it is reasonable
      • voakbasda 30 minutes ago
        Let’s be clear: if the CIA was doing it, then it was not overt and obvious. It was secret manipulation.

        Is that the kind of government intervention that you want to get?

        • huxley 13 minutes ago
          As a general rule, probably not ...

          But if I had my druthers, I'd rather the CIA was "manipulating" us more often by subsidizing jazz artists rather than funnelling cash and prisoners to torture sites in El Salvador.

          You dig?

        • mannanj 15 minutes ago
          FYI be careful who you engage with. there are astroturfers and bot and deep state actors on these forums.
          • john_strinlai 4 minutes ago
            if you have anyone specific in mind, you should email hn@ycombinator.com

            if you dont have anyone specific in mind, this comment does nothing except "FUD"

      • kersplody 17 minutes ago
        And for people that know their history, the DoD basically built Silicon Valley as we know, funding research and buying essentially 100% of the output of valley fabs for several years for Radars, then ICBMs, and then flight computers (F14 was arguably the first modern microcomputer) from about 1962-1972. Only when silicon companies scaled beyond this demand did the consumer computer revolution begin to take flight.
  • jnaina 11 minutes ago
    I did not know until now, that I bought a cold war spy artifact from ebay 20 years ago, and shipped it all the way to Singapore.
  • jongjong 11 minutes ago
    It's pretty obvious now that governments have been propping up the tech sector in many countries. It's a weird industry. Look at the biggest tech companies. They all start out with apparently legitimate products but slowly lose market share over decades, end up doing nothing and yet more profitable and more valuable than ever. Look at companies like Oracle, Microsoft, Palantir, SpaceX, Salesforce... Their main business is extracting money from the government.
  • xhkkffbf 49 minutes ago
    The NSA bought plenty of the machines back then too. They weren't always the favorites of the staff who spent plenty of time with IBM mainframes.
  • ParentiSoundSys 51 minutes ago
    > But why would Jobs, a child of the counterculture who had practiced Buddhism under a Zen master and cited taking LSD as a formative experience, tether his company’s future to spies?

    That's a funny sentence to read when you know the actual history of LSD, how it was brought to and disseminated throughout the U.S., and the role it played in de-fanging the counterculture.

  • rasz 12 hours ago
    I dont know if im buying magic CPU upgrade story. CPU/FPU are soldered and non overclockable. Motorola didnt have a super beefed 68030 version, extra special 68882 fpu, nor faster pin compatible 56001. The only socket on board is for 56001 which was already fitted from factory.

    Graphics from Intel is much more believable, probably something that later became Intel i860 based NeXTdimension. But that would push whole story a couple years since Intel i860 released mid 1989.

    • wmil 17 minutes ago
      They were probably talking about an accelerator card. That would make sense if the writer isn't familiar with them and Romello wanted to simplify things a bit and just called it a compute upgrade or something.
    • LargoLasskhyfv 9 hours ago
      But they were rather uncomplicated, compared to the BGAed monsters we have now. Infrared heatguns and reflow ovens are nothing new. Neither is liquid cooling.
      • rasz 1 hour ago
        The point is there were no chips to put on the Next Cube that would make it faster in 1988, and the whole system was designed and tuned for specific fixed clock so bus overclocking is also very unlikely.

        The only possibility is April 1989 announcement of 50 MHz versions of 68030/68882 and Clock Doubler circuit running CPU/FPU fast only when its not touching the bus. Afaik to this day this is the only way to OC Nexts.

        https://68kmla.org/bb/threads/nextstation-clock-doubler.4979...

        https://web.archive.org/web/20190722120829/https://www.nextc...

        But this still pushes whole thing to ~1990. Would NSA get 20000 highly binned CPUs before actual volume production? Then there is absolute lack of evidence of even one such system ever surviving, and stuff does survive despite being classified, like Tempest IBM 5170s.

  • Taikhoom10 42 minutes ago
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  • dang 59 minutes ago
    [stub for offtopicness]

    (we put the gift link above)

  • josefritzishere 50 minutes ago
    Steve Jobs was a Fed.