5 comments

  • Liftyee 4 minutes ago
    The penalties are interesting. It shows that the design goal is not to maximise interactions otherwise "controversial" posts should stay up. Still though, I wonder what's the point of deranking said posts. Minimise the potential for a flame war to hit critical mass? Stop people from perceiving HN as an argument-filled forum?
  • tptacek 18 minutes ago
    Presumably this has gotten way, way more complicated in the last 13 years.
  • anon_cow1111 3 minutes ago
    Personally the first HN algorithm anecdote I really noticed was when the "stop destroying videogames' petition hit the front page a couple years ago. In the first hour it got a modest ~100 votes and comments with some organic discussion, so pretty typical for a good HN post. In the next hour it was dead and buried several hundred posts down.

    I don't want to be a tinfoil hatter here, but I think certain industries have a lot more influence over this site than most people realize.

  • NiklasKoehler 2 minutes ago
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  • VCFundedGenYer 43 minutes ago
    This falls apart completely if you’re like me and only see the list presented on brutalist.report which is strictly chronological and with zero algorithms.
    • Retr0id 24 minutes ago
      Looks algorithmic to me. Reverse-chronological with upvote threshold(?), where upvotes are correlated with sort rank on vanilla HN.
      • VCFundedGenYer 21 minutes ago
        Again, not a thing if you are on the site I mentioned.
        • Waterluvian 17 minutes ago
          There’s clearly decision-making going on because it’s not listing most HN posts. How is it deciding what not to show?
        • tptacek 19 minutes ago
          If there's a vote threshold, it's still profoundly influenced by the HN algorithm, because front page exposure is the principal component in how many votes a story gets.
        • Retr0id 13 minutes ago
          Saying it a second time doesn't make it any more true.
    • perching_aix 37 minutes ago
      Indeed, if you go out of your way to circumvent automatic story ranking, the particularities of automatic story ranking no longer affect you...

      A capability available without visiting any third party sites, by the way: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest

      I just hope you don't believe that somehow this magically allows you to escape bias. A (reverse) chronological sort is still a sort.

    • oblio 16 minutes ago
      That site's interesting, but it would be super helpful with some summaries of the stories and maybe of the comments. Though I imagine that would make it a LOT more expensive to host.
    • gong_hits 28 minutes ago
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