Deepfake of Washington County, Oregon, Candidate Goes Viral Nationwide

(oregonjournalismproject.org)

23 points | by aliasxneo 1 hour ago

5 comments

  • rideontime 22 minutes ago
    • Sabinus 10 minutes ago
      >A Fai campaign supporter then provided a different video of the event to OJP that showed the flag right side up.

      It would be interesting to know where the "corrected" deepfake originated.

      • gruez 2 minutes ago
        Given that it shows clear signs of manipulation (inconsistent stripes, openai watermark), my guess is that the "supporter" decided to "clean up" the image to make it more palatable for public consumption, not necessarily with intent to deceive. A few days later Oregon Journalism Project saw the contradictions between a post from "End Wokeness" and their image, and thought "ah ha! those right wing agitators were making deepfakes", not realizing it was their image that was manipulated.
    • gruez 12 minutes ago
      In that case, lmao at all the people who were downvoted to grey (or rather, the people who downvoted them into grey), despite being in the right.

      screenshot for posterity: https://i.postimg.cc/vTCTyYZ1/Screenshot.png

      • rideontime 8 minutes ago
        It's not unreasonable to expect End Wokeness to be spreading more lies about Somalian immigrants, given his track record. But the truth here was obvious to anybody willing to simply look at the evidence.
  • rideontime 40 minutes ago
    As much as I hate to have to defend Jack Posobiec (aka EndWokeness), saving the "real" screenshot from this article and uploading it to OpenAI's verification tool[0] indicates that it, in fact, was AI-generated. I welcome any correction on this.

    [0] https://openai.com/research/verify/

    e: Okay, now I feel stupid for even bothering to do that. Look below her name and you'll see the leftovers of the old flag.

    edit 2: Retracted. https://www.oregonjournalismproject.org/editors-note-october...

    • gruez 31 minutes ago
      Even more damning seems to be the video of the event and cached images from google, which does not have an openai watermark (yes, verified myself).

      https://x.com/kgallella/status/2112332869461045733

      https://x.com/Honest_Bender/status/2112301833708519659

      Of course it doesn't conclusively prove that the flag was definitely right side up, but you'd really have to bend over backwards to explain why Oregon Journalism Project's "debunking" is watermarked but the counter-debunkings aren't.

    • peder 26 minutes ago
      lol I didn't see that at all, wow they soooo poorly photoshopped this and then had their all friends in the media like Axios push their lies
    • ofjcihen 38 minutes ago
      Unless I’m missing something all of the pictures in the article and on X that it links to return as being AI generated?
      • rideontime 34 minutes ago
        There's only two images in the article, the "real" (fake) image (which appears twice), and the screenshot of the tweet; the latter returns "No OpenAI signals detected" for me, unlike the other.
        • ofjcihen 32 minutes ago
          I’m including all of the images linked in both.

          And now that you’ve said that I’ve retried the same image 5 times and gotten AI 3 times and Not AI twice.

          Something tells me that tools is about as reliable as Pangram.

          • rideontime 27 minutes ago
            Then just try looking in the bottom left corner of the "real" image to see the leftovers of the upside-down flag. The SynthID watermark isn't even necessary here to spot the obviousness of the fake.
    • aaron695 22 minutes ago
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  • georgemcbay 8 minutes ago
    Candidate shouldn't have lied here (which seems likely based on the available evidence) and should have just owned it. Flying an upside-down flag is a perfectly patriotic thing to do in 2026, IMO, speaking as a white male, many-generational American. America is very much in distress.

    But it is also ridiculous that the people predisposed to the other side (and who only made a big deal out of the original clip in the first place because they are racist misogynists) will hold up this relatively insignificant lie as some sort of an outrage while pulling the lever for the likes of Trump who lies as easily as he breathes.

  • DFHippie 45 minutes ago
    I don't understand why the people manipulated with lies aren't offended at the liars. They are primed to believe the lies, but aren't they mad that someone sought to manipulate them?

    This keeps happening because it works. But why does it work? Why isn't there blowback?

    • rideontime 9 minutes ago
      Now that the story has been retracted, and the "real" image proven to be an obvious fake, are you mad that someone sought to manipulate you?
    • peder 19 minutes ago
      Are you going to update your comment now that a retraction was issued? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50173029
    • happytoexplain 29 minutes ago
      It's embarrassing. Instead, they tell themselves, "well, it could have just as easily been real."

      This has always been the case.

      However, the more interesting thing going on is that we have never had to reckon with this problem anywhere near as much as we do now, since the barrier to creating fakes has been reduced from "skilled software user" to "all five billion humans who can write".

    • gruez 28 minutes ago
      The ironic part is that the veracity of the debunking is being questioned, so depending on how this turns out, this could either be referring to "haha dumb right wingers falling for AI generated meme" or "haha dumb left wingers falling for AI generated debunking". Truly a rorschach test of a comment.

      edit: the story was retracted so the "people manipulated with lies" are the people who believed oregon journalism project?

    • dabinat 35 minutes ago
      Because they want it to be true.
    • UltraSane 18 minutes ago
      I feel the same way. Anyone who lies to you is fundamentally insulting you.
    • jplusequalt 37 minutes ago
      Truth isn't important anymore.
  • peder 53 minutes ago
    • cortesoft 47 minutes ago
      And you trust this source because?
      • peder 40 minutes ago
        It's from their own Facebook page, it's the Google Image Search results from their own page.
        • ofjcihen 39 minutes ago
          “Before they deleted them” aka no way to check if this is BS.
          • peder 36 minutes ago
            Nonsense, the google image search result clearly still has the linkage established. There's nothing fake about it.
          • peder 36 minutes ago
            And why wouldn't you question why they deleted the original lol
            • ofjcihen 33 minutes ago
              That’s not the question. The question is “were they even there” before the “screenshot”.

              As an example, I can screenshot your comment and have AI edit it to have you say “I really enjoy misleading people on the internet for money”, post it, and then say “I took this screenshot before they deleted it.”

              • rideontime 32 minutes ago
                Please just look at the bottom left corner of the "real" image.
              • peder 23 minutes ago
                You don't understand: https://x.com/alx/status/2112585386929397799

                But also just look at the bottom-left of the image as is mentioned elsewhere in this comment thread: they didn't even bother to photoshop the entire image in their "debunk".

      • gruez 46 minutes ago
        As opposed to trusting "Oregon Journalism Project"?